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Hey friends,
My mum came home last night with some new varieties of cans of wellness. As you might know, I am obsessed with this food--I vomit on everything else and while that's fun, it doesn't always impress my mum or her friends for that matter. Humans.
Anyway, has anyone tried these out? Chicken and lobster and the shrimp and crab varieties sound very good, but I am a little concerned that they don't say human grade on them. Also, ZeHitler cat has warned us about the rice they added.
Anyway, happy eating. I'm off to sleep on top of the food cabinets.
Also, had tuna last night for the first time. It is horrible. I am fussy and can't believe the reputation that stuff has. I scratched by my bowl to show my disapproval. I haven't vomited it up though (yet). No wonder they're telling pregnant humans not to eat it.
Blue
My mum came home last night with some new varieties of cans of wellness. As you might know, I am obsessed with this food--I vomit on everything else and while that's fun, it doesn't always impress my mum or her friends for that matter. Humans.
Anyway, has anyone tried these out? Chicken and lobster and the shrimp and crab varieties sound very good, but I am a little concerned that they don't say human grade on them. Also, ZeHitler cat has warned us about the rice they added.
Anyway, happy eating. I'm off to sleep on top of the food cabinets.
Also, had tuna last night for the first time. It is horrible. I am fussy and can't believe the reputation that stuff has. I scratched by my bowl to show my disapproval. I haven't vomited it up though (yet). No wonder they're telling pregnant humans not to eat it.
Blue
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Re: New Wellness Flavors/I hate Tuna!
Fri, December 12, 2003 - 12:27 PMBlue Boy, honeychile--WAY TO BE A FINICKY BASTID! I do the "scratch at my dish" thing too, drives That Woman wild, hee hee. Me, I'm a fish whore, so any kind of fish drives me nuts. Sorry you don't like tuna...
Hey, so have you had any of the new Wellness flavors your mum got you yet? Whatcha think? What was the Hurl Factor??
Also, the last week, That Woman opened up a can of Wellness Turkey and Salmon she'd bought before being alerted to the rice thing and noticed the texture was really... well, granular. She took a little bit on her fingertips and rolled it around and yup, noticed bits of rice. They didn't even look or feel cooked! They were all gross and crumbly and shit. She gave the two of us some of the food anyway since it was Treat Night, but both my brother Eric and I snubbed it! And Eric's been known to Eat Plastic for Fun and Profit.
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Re: New Wellness Flavors/I hate Tuna!
Sat, December 13, 2003 - 6:30 AMThe new Wellness chicken and lobster is actually pretty good (although I played mind games with my mum by eating a bit, then doing the scratch, then coming back for more). The texture is practically the same as my favorite turkey and salmon.
Mum says she's been looking for the dusty cans of Wellness in the stores to try to get the older ones (and she's brought home a couple of dented ones, which I am not pleased with at all). But we think she got the old formulation as I haven't vomited in a couple of weeks. This is unusual as I normally throw up every two or three days.
I do like fish--at least in Wellness--and I am pretty proud of the fact that I don't like tuna. I call that finicky and I am proud of it!
Now I have to get Mum to get me the new shrimp, crab and whatever Wellness.... Some strategic mewing should do the trick (like at 4 am... ) -
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Sat, December 13, 2003 - 5:09 PMim glad to hear about the chicken and lobster i noticed a can of it sitting on top of the fridge. I was a little sacred...
im sure ill be having it next week as my wet food day was today..
ill let ya'll know what i think....
im also so sorry you dont like tuna.... the first time my daddies gave it to me a ran away and hid under a chair...
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Sun, December 14, 2003 - 8:04 AMHey Dmitri,
I'm sure you'll like it. It is good to have a blue friend who likes Wellness. You'll have to come round to my apartment--we'll split a can of chicken and lobster and share a drink from the faucet.
Send a purr to your daddies from me.
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Sun, December 14, 2003 - 8:06 AMPeeps here. Blue is using my account again! He eats my food and he steals the best places on the windowsill.
I like the chicken and lobster wellness too--although like a good fat kitty, I sneak in and eat when I think nobody is looking. -
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Mon, December 15, 2003 - 11:31 AMMum just called Wellness. They have stopped adding rice to the food and gone back to the original recipe! Yay!
Also, the new flavors are rice-free. Way to go Wellness! -
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Re: New Wellness Flavors/I hate Tuna!
Mon, December 15, 2003 - 12:08 PMI would kill giants for tuna. I would. I would totally kick their oversized arses if they stood between me and the can. We have tuna radar--soon as the WAB gets a can out of the larder, we are there and ready to bite holes in the tin.
Oh, and for UK cats, I gots to say, the Hi Life food is magic stuff. No grain, no nasties, just big fat chunks of meaty meat and giblets and damn... is it supper time yet? I'm a skilled snubber, but this stuff is gooooood. Even Zot eats it. I admit, that it's Zot's food and she eats it so fast I barely get a look in and though I'm not =meant= to be eating it those stolen morsels are oh so good.
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Sat, January 24, 2004 - 10:17 AMhey...for any of you dawgz out there....just got the new wellness flava'
"New Zeland Venison"
holy mother of pups is that stuff good!!! they also have a new turkey & sweet potato that is my absolute fave. -
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Mon, January 26, 2004 - 9:40 AMI like wellness duck and lamb so far, that's it. Being as picky as I am I only like these two kinds some of the time, I have to be in the mood I guess. I think there are about 4-5 cans of these two at home and it will probably take me a year to get through them, so I doubt mom will venture on buying a new flavor. Why am I such a brat? You'd think I'd slurp up the goodness, oh well. Thanks for the tip, if I ver make it through the sock pile maybe I can try something new.
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Mon, January 26, 2004 - 12:10 PMHey Ripley,
I'm so glad they're giving the dogs fine flavors too. I'm loving the chicken and lobster--as is Peeps (grrrr....), but I have to say I'm underwhelmed by the sardine, shrimp and crab.
You've got to give them trumps for trying. New Zealand Venison sounds miughty good. The sweet potatoes and blueberries in their food are also yummy.
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Re: New Wellness Flavors/I hate Tuna!
Sun, February 1, 2004 - 10:19 PMHey Lord T,
Have your parents tried giving you some cat food? Because really, commercial cat food is actually good for dogs. It's very high in protein, which is good for dogs too since they're carnivores as well. And the stuff that makes cats fat (too much carbs) is also the same stuff that makes dogs fat.... Cats don't do well on commercial dog food, though because of the lack of taurine supplementation. But actually, some very high-quality dog foods are now adding taurine to their formulas, like Timberwolf Organics. www.timberwolforganics.com/
Anyway, just so you know that eating some cat food every now and then, especially high-quality brands like Petguard, Nature's Variety and the like won't hurt ya. -
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Mon, February 2, 2004 - 9:43 AMYou know, if I had it my way that's all I would eat, I think cat food tastes much better than dog food. I sneak some dry kibble whenever I can. My mom actually asked her vet if it would be ok for me to eat cat food (since I like it so much and snub my dog food all the time) and the vet told her that cat food it bad for dogs precisely because it has to much protein for dogs to digest and it can lead to liver problems over time. I'd like to believe what you are saying, really! Does any one else have info on this topic? -
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Mon, February 2, 2004 - 11:48 AMIf you look at what cats and dogs evolved to eat, it's basically the same stuff: anything and everything that can scamper, flap around, or swim. Dogs on high-protein diets do extremely well, as far as That Woman knows, and if you ever look at on-line recipes for raw dog or cat food, they're basically the same with may just a little bit more vegetables for the dogs. Was the vet specific about what kind of liver problems would manifest for dogs fed high-protein diets? If he gives you a specific name for the disorder, as well as what's involved (what types of cells, enzymes, etc. are involved in the failure) we can look it up and see if it's fact or myth. Vets discouraged high-protein diets for CATS for a long time because of renal failure concerns, and then it turns out that food water content, type of protein (plant-based vs. meat-based), phosphorus content and whether or not the cat received vaccinations cultured on feline renal cells actually matter more than the protein percentage.
And really, dry cat food isn't all that high protein at all. A mouse is about 50-60% protein on a dry matter basis, while dry cat food is between 30-40% protein on a dry matter basis. Dry dog food is even lower.
I'll see if I can dig up more info on high-protein diets, canine protein digestion, and liver failure in dogs. It sounds highly implausible to me, though, given that dogs are carnivores and they evolved to eat whole prey of various kinds, all of them very, very high in protein. -
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Mon, February 2, 2004 - 3:02 PMHo-kay, did some very preliminary research, and I found out the following:
1. High-protein diets are not bad for dogs unless they ALREADY have liver or kidney failure (same as with cats, really)
2. As with cats, source and quality of protein matter more than the actual quantity itself since dogs evolved as carnivores. In fact, dogs thrive on high-protein diets.
More here: home.att.net/~wdcusick/protein.html and here: www.pedigreebreeder.com.au/feat...t.asp
An excerpt from the Pedigree Breeder website: "A lot of early research into protein and its effect on the kidneys was carried out in rats, which led researchers to suspect that feeding high levels of protein over long periods of time could lead to chronic kidney disease. As a result, it was common for protein-restricted diets to be recommended for older animals and those with kidney disease. However, in contrast to rats, there is no conclusive evidence that protein intake contributes to kidney dysfunction in healthy dogs."
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"You can't give too much protein in your dog's diet, however quality not quantity makes the difference."
Rats are true omnivores (along with pigs and people). Comparing rat protein digestion to canine protein digestion is pretty asinine, in my opinion....
Another article about dogs and high-protein diets here: www.peteducation.com/article.cfm
And some more reading here regarding canine digestion of grains (since logically, if a commercial diet can't be high-protein, the bulk of the calories and the like has to be made up with grains): www.urbancarnivore.com/uc_onl...ges.cfm
Lord T, when you talk to you vet ask him for articles citing cases in which dogs were diagnosed with liver/kidney failure as a direct result of high-protein diets. The more reading I do about canine protein catabolism, the more skeptical I get about how harmful high-protein diets are for dogs. Sounds like the same kind of scaremongering used on cats a while back.
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Thu, February 5, 2004 - 11:59 AMThanks for all the research ZeHitler, you rock! I'm going to follow up on your links here.
I wonder if the vet "logic" is all "old school"? We got a second opinion from a another vet and they said the same thing, high protein diets are bad for dogs, that dogs process protein differently than cats do, i.e. our bodies can not processes it was well as you cats.
I tend to agree with YOUR logic here though. At least at this point I don't think I need to worry about dieing from kidney failure when I sneak a few mouthfuls of dry cat kibble everyday.
You are right, I am a carnivore and in the wilds I'd be eating raw protein. I'm also a bit of an omnivore too, did you know that? In the wild I'd need to eat my natural prey's stomach in order to get a complete and well rounded diet. That's where the omnivore part comes in, pretty gross huh? Do you cats do that too? I'd be speculating if I linked this aspect to the reason why my vet would say I can't handle a high protein diet, just throwing some trivia out there.
I love to eat raw broccoli, peas and raw potatoes too! Must go back to wanting to eat bellies.
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Thu, February 5, 2004 - 1:18 PMYes, indeed, Lord Thelonius. We cats are omnivores in the sense that we need and want the stomach contents of our prey. That's why one mouse is a balanced meal for a cat.
Yum! Gotta rush and eat.
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Thu, February 5, 2004 - 4:11 PMi have images of the wiley chihuahua carnivore stalking its prey....
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Thu, February 5, 2004 - 6:28 PMYes, cats usually eat the stomach contents of their prey. However, when you compare mouse stomachs and how much they can contain vs. how much say, an elk or deer stomach can contain, dogs probably get more veggie matter than cats do in the wild.
But then you're a small dog and would probably be eating the same thing us kitties would too, i.e. mice, birds, little reptiles, insects, various rodents.
I'm a strict carnivore, I'm not really interested in anything if it doesn't smell like blood, liver, kidneys or canned food. Eric on the other hand loves baby lettuce, squash and spinach. Though the other day That Woman brought home this incredibly smelly fruit called durian and we both loved it and had a little bit. -
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Sat, February 7, 2004 - 9:24 AMI LOVE LOVE LOVE lettuce and watercress and spinach, and K can only grow it in the greenhouse rather than outside otherwise I'd eat the lot of it. Zot, however, wouldn't eat anything green even if she was starving to death.
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Sat, February 7, 2004 - 11:46 PMthe only greens i like is the nip. i wonder if there is any connection between breeds and food preferences -
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Wed, April 21, 2004 - 12:30 PMGoing back to the whole "high protein is harmful for dogs" debate--found this research article that basically debunks this myth and shows its roots: www.vetshow.com/download/p...a/bovee.pdf
A snippet:
"It was stated that high protein found in some commercial diets increases the workload of the liver and kidney and contributes to renal disease in dogs. There is no evidence to support
this view, and the recommendation has been dropped. In contrast, there is evidence that high protein diets enhance renal function in normal dogs."
The article then goes on to argue that high-proten diets not only DON'T cause liver and kidney damage, but low-protein diets are not even all that helpful for renal failure. It's pretty technical, but if you have a basic background in biology and chemistry, it's pretty fascinating reading.
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